Publication talk:JNGLTLSFTB1919

Novel or Collection
Sorry to appropriate the publication talk page, this question really applies to the title. I'd like to suggest that Jungle Tales of Tarzan be changed from a NOVEL to a COLLECTION.

I'm working through Henry Hardy Heins' Burroughs bibliography and I wanted to add the original magazine appearances of this book. The problem is that if we keep the book as a NOVEL, then the magazine appearances have to be SERIALs, which is fine, until some of the stories are reprinted by themselves and under their own title. One of the stories, "The God of Tarzan" was in this situation and I attempted to make that story a variant of the SERIAL ending up with a chain of variants. By doing this, now the story, "The God of Tarzan" no longer appears in the Burroughs Bibliography pages but is "hidden" and accessible only under the variants of the serial.

Robert B. Zeschner calls it the sixth Tarzan novel. Tuck seems to treat it as a novel ("12 titled chapters"). Both the Clute encyclopedias, Locus 1, and the Heins bibliography refer to it as a collection. If we were to change it to a collection, then the magazine appearances of the stories are just SHORTFICTION and variants in title of a story become more workable.

I'm happy to make the edits, but since we have several editors that have verified several editions, I wanted to get everyone's agreement first.--Ron ~ RtraceTalk 13:45, 25 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Reginald also lists it as a collection. I see no problems changing it's designation to a collection. --~ Bill, Bluesman 16:37, 25 March 2012 (UTC)


 * In fact it was not a collection in this pub, for example. But this situation when "The God of Tarzan" is variant title of "Jungle Tales of Tarzan" is strange. Maybe it would be better if we have new category (a part of novel, for example) for these type of publications? BarDenis 16:59, 25 March 2012 (UTC)


 * I'd make no bones about the publication being re-designated as a COLLECTION. Nimravus 18:37, 25 March 2012 (UTC)


 * We seem to have consensus except for BarDenis. I'd like to point out that the Locus1 listing for his pub, calls it a collection.  If you still object, we can throw the question to Rules and standards discussions. Thansk. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 12:04, 28 March 2012 (UTC)


 * If we use information from book - this is novel. Contents for "Jungle Tales of Tarzan" is the same with "Tarzan and the Jewels of Opar" - has chapters with numbers. From copyright: "Jungle Tales of Tarzan" was originally published serially in The Blue Book Magazine under the title The New Stories of Tarzan in 1916-17. I think it may be series "The New Stories of Tarzan" and novel "Jungle Tales of Tarzan" both. BarDenis 17:44, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

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I'm going to leave a note on Rules and standards discussions to help us resolve this. I would like to ask one question regarding the omnibus edition. Do the individual story titles appear at the heading page of each chapter along with the chapter number (as is done with my two editions ), or does it have solely chapter numbers? Thanks.--Ron ~ RtraceTalk 23:51, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Same with your editions, I think. Title with chapter number. BarDenis 18:34, 29 March 2012 (UTC)


 * If the chapters were numbered instead of titled, I would have agreed with BarDenis, but since they're named, and at least some of them have been separately published, I lean towards collection. The interesting part will be determining how the original Blue Book appearances line up with the book publications. There are 12 stories, starting in September 1916, and a story per issue, until August 1917. Each had their own title, except the first one had a generic title "The New Stories of Tarzan". Is there such a title in the book publications? And are there 11 more? The stories can be grouped by adding them to a sub-series of Tarzan, perhaps titled "The New Stories of Tarzan". The awkward varianting of a story ("The God of Tarzan") to a serial part ("The New Stories of Tarzan (Part 4 of 12)") will have to be corrected. Mhhutchins 20:26, 29 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Same with copy from Project Gutenberg (only "6 The Witch Doctor Seeks Vengeance"). BarDenis 17:57, 30 March 2012 (UTC)


 * I've added the magazine appearances of the stories for Blue Book and merged titles of the stories. Unless there is renewed objection, I'd like to go ahead and begin converting the books to the COLLECTION type.--Ron ~ RtraceTalk 19:41, 1 April 2012 (UTC)


 * No problem. BarDenis 17:50, 2 April 2012 (UTC)