Magazine talk:Perry Rhodan DE

Perry Rhodan
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Hello, Willem! As avid reader of the German author Andreas Eschbach I have added his three PR novellas to the lot. But: I counted them as chapbooks, because at the time of entering this is what I thought they are. They started back in '61 as pure fiction booklets (with some illustrations, I think). All other additions (letter pages, reports etc.) came later and still are in my opinion not enough to qualify them as magazines. But if the standard in our little db is different, we could change the three. On the other hand, I have seen hints that a major discussion of PR has been avoided so far. Would this qualify as a challenge for us? Second point: I came on this while searching for Klaus N. Frick, which led to PR 2500. And there I found a typo: The cover (and my copy) says 'Projekt Saturn' instead of 'Project Saturn'. Could you correct this as moderator or shall I inform the verifier? And shouldn't the title 'Perry Rhodan #2500:' be transferred into the series title, i.e. deleted?Stonecreek 19:59, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I have just found out that there was indeed a discussion on the topic and that right now there are not enough resources for the series as a whole. So, I leave it to you to decide what is to be done about Eschbach's writings. If it comes to entering the series, I could help with a moderate support: I buy about every sixth issue to keep track of the developments.
 * On the role of the editor: The late Robert Feldhoff has been responsible as 'exposé editor' for the chronological development of the series (he died in 2009), Klaus N. Frick on the other hand has the last say on the product as a whole. He coordinates for example the illustrations (also cover), reports etc. So maybe it would be better to include the two of them (or three, because there was a time when two people worked as 'exposé factory'). Stonecreek 19:09, 11 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi Christian. Good to have a German editor here! I could use some (a lot of) help with the original Perry Rhodan series. First, the main reason for me to add them to the database, is to be able to add the Dutch translations when foreign language support is implemented. Since I only own a few hundred of the originals, I use the data from Perrypedia (each issue I enter has a link to the Perrypedia page). I will add data and verify the issues I own sometime in the future, but for now I only enter the first printing, and only the illustrations and the novellas. I would rather not discuss the magazine/chapterbook/novel(la) issues again, as far as I'm concerned, the series is published as a magazine, and I'm happy about that. The Dutch editions have no letter pages, but they will be entered as magazines anyway. I work (copy/paste) from an excel-spreadsheet where I have the neccesary data.
 * For the other points: the typo is a good spot! I will change the title and notify user WeAreGray. The addition "Perry Rhodan, #2500:" is used because it is entered as a magazine. See this help page under Publication Information (Magazines and Missing or variant dates). The title record doesn't get the addition, only the publication. The editor is a good point. In most issues I own, no editor is mentioned, Perrypedia has a nice overview of the exposé-autoren (the exact issues they did), but for Klaus N. Frick (1992 - present) and his predecessors Günter M. Schelwokat (#11 - 1987 or 1992?) and Florian F. Marzin (1987 - 1995) things are not clear to me. If you can find the issue numbers they started/stopped with ... Anyway, thanks for the input. Let me know what you can (want to) do. --Willem H. 21:19, 17 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, it should be possible to determine the changing issues from Marzin onwards and, with some luck, from Schelwokat, but it will take some research time in the catacombs or 2nd hand stores. The man who started it all was to my knowledge Kurt Bernhardt. So he could be mentioned as well for the first issues. I can (and am willing to) enter the issues I have. From the first printing this would start around issue 600 - but still only every 5th or 6th issue, some of them are nevertheless from later printings. It's up to you to determine where I shall start. Stonecreek 11:10, 21 December 2010 (UTC)


 * That would be very welcome. I don't think Schelwokat or Marzin are mentioned in the issues (I looked at #816, only the exposé-redaction is credited, I think they dropped that again later on). If it's not too much trouble, please add a note on this page every now and then, which issues you entered, so I can incorporate them in the series when I reach those numbers. I state my progress on the project page. Thanks, --Willem H. 21:52, 21 December 2010 (UTC)


 * So, from the project page (maybe we put our communication regarding PR over there?) it would be right to begin with the next issue of the 1st printing after #370? Rainer Castor: I'm not sure if it'd be right to include him as editor. From the Perrypedia it seems he 'only' gives aid in getting the huge amount of data right when there's a connection to earlier issues. Eminent, but I'd give Feldhoff or Anton the main credit in the exposé work (at least, they work(ed) out the plots and decide(d) who writes which issue). What do you think? Stonecreek 14:51, 22 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Good suggestion. I had progressed to #390, but forgot to add this to the project page. It's always smart to check the series grid, as well as the author's bibliography to be certain an issue is not already entered. About Rainer Castor, I only followed the information on Perrypedia. The database makes no difference in first or second (or third) editors, so there will never be a ´main´ editor. I.m.o. it´s better to credit them all. --Willem H. 20:48, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Hello, Willem. I just added the first of my first printings (#521 by Ernst Vlcek). Would you like to take a look at it, especially if it's okay to include Schelwokat? By the way, up to which issue is the Dutch edition of PR now? Maybe it will be 2011 for my next submissions. Until then, all the best to you. Stonecreek 14:43, 23 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Approved, I have no problem with Schelwokat, but I changed the publication date to 1971-08-27 (I calculated the dates from information on this page). When I reach that far, I can just check the editor records for issues already entered. The Dutch series is now up to #2064. The publisher switched to double issues every two weeks in 2009. I only have the first 1000, stopped collecting Dutch SF around 1990 (I stopped reading translations back in 1974, so continuing to collect them seemed like a waste of space and money). Have a good Christmas, and "see" you next year. --Willem H. 20:44, 23 December 2010 (UTC)


 * A happy new year to you! According to the interview with Frick in this pub, it would be a working hypothesis to mark #1400 as change issue from Schelwokat to Marzin. Citation: "Mit Band 1400 gab es diese große Zäsur. Damals ist Dr. Florian F. Marzin Chefredakteur geworden." The second change in question can be nailed in the future, I think: In #1782 it's Marzin in the copyrights, in #1792 it's Frick. I hope to find the exact issue in one or the other shop. Apart from that I started to enter the issues I have from #2400ff., also. (I read just today #2481, which was excellent, although not from a Dutchman - inspite of the name.) And there are four more issues from the 500s to follow. Stonecreek 19:59, 1 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks! I had already left my wishes on your talk page. This is good news, it leaves only the credit for #1783 to #1791 uncertain. Unfortunately I have none of these issues. A added the information to my spreadsheet, if you want a copy of this (excel format), send me an e-mail (I can be reached from the tool box on my user page). Copy/paste beats entering data manually i.m.o.
 * Another thing, you entered a few issues without the novella's title in the publication's title. This takes two edits to correct (the pub record and the editor record). The right way to enter the publication's title is: 'Perry Rhodan, #no: ''title. The comma is cosmetic, it makes the issue grid look nice. --Willem H. 20:38, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

Missing novellas?
I wonder why, for example on this page, the author has only a handful of shortfictions mentioned when he should have 50 or so, i.e. all the novellas from his Perry Rhodan work. Do you have any explanation? Stonecreek 18:22, 14 January 2011 (UTC)


 * They are there, but in the "Short Fiction Series" section. BLongley 18:31, 14 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Oh yeah, it's time to sign off for today: I can't see the obvious anymore. Stonecreek 19:08, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

I just tried to fix PR, #285 by William Voltz (which started the confusion) into the title series "PR Zyklus 5: Die Meister der Insel" but either I'm in no good shape anymore or just to damn stupid. Good night, folks. Stonecreek 19:20, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Series and sub-series
I should have said something about this before I think. I noticed your effort to place your additions in the Perry Rhodan series, but there are two kinds of series here, and you chose the wrong one. Let me explain:
 * There is the main series I called Perry Rhodan Universe. It contains a sub-series called "Perry Rhodan Weekly", where the various cycles go as sub-sub-series. The novella title records are added to these sub-sub-series (see for instance PR Zyklus 8: Der Schwarm.
 * The sub-sub-series must be created in the right order, to be shown correctly (at least I hope so). I'll take care of that.
 * Aside from the "heftromans" there are the paperbacks, the Atlan series and others. These will eventually have their own sub-series under "Perry Rhodan Universe", and the novels / novella's in these series will have their own sub-sub-series if that's neccesary.
 * This should not be confused with the editor series, where the editor records go (see here for the first printing. The US-editions are here, the first 8 british editions are here, and there will be others for the other printings.
 * The editor records are clustered per year, see this for the 1963 issues of the 1st edition. I will remove the reprints of #108, #109 and #110.

Don't be depressed by this, you're doing a wonderful job. Thanks, --Willem H. 20:56, 14 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Thank you very much, that explains a lot. I have just another item in the PR Universe upcoming: With issue #2402 started a short story series called 'Stellaris' within the universe. It has a pre-determined setting: the space freighter 'STELLARIS' and is written by various authors (as usual for PR). As lover of short stories I started to collect them (they are published usually every 8 weeks). I will enter the first issue and hope that you can put it also into the PR Universe. (Or can you give some advice how to enter it in the right order?) Stonecreek 09:24, 15 January 2011 (UTC)


 * I think I cleaned up most of the numbers below 1000, the rest will follow. The Stellaris series is a nice one for you to try. I assume the first story is "Ausgerutscht" by Michael Marcus Thurner. You go to the title record of the story, push "Edit Title Data", which leads you to this screen. There you fill out the series field (Stellaris) and the series number (1). This creates the Stellaris series. After this is accepted by a moderator, you go to the series record, edit this and add "Perry Rhodan Universe" as parent series. Want to try it? --Willem H. 12:59, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Two more questions
Mhhutchins brought up a question about the notation of the pagination, see here. The problem is that the magazines are staplebounded in the center and the stories or journals are put right into the middle of the novella and have the pagination 1-12. What do you think?
 * Yeah, this would eventually come up. The help text (under pages) is pretty clear about this, "For magazines, the convention is to use the actual page count - including the cover." That's why I have entered them all with 68 pages (64 plus cover). For this pub, and others with the extra's stapled in the center, I would go for 68+12 (or 68+16 or whatever), and explain this in the notes. For the contents of the insert you could use Roman numerals (like we do with a lot of Ace-doubles). One issue that's on my desk (#816) even uses Roman numerals for the Perry Rhodan-Report section. Page count fot that issue would (IMO) be 68+XVI. --Willem H. 17:15, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Record(s) changed (#2402 had the same problem, but with a story). Stonecreek 20:27, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

And another one: Maybe all 'round' magazines after #2000 (i.e. #2000, #2100 etc.) have an extraordinary length and in the case of #2400 (not yet entered) it rounds up to 88 pages of text. Considering that there is 1.5 to 2 times as many text on a page in PR than in a normal book that would qualify them as novels. Shall we enter them as those or stick with the novella? Stonecreek 15:06, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I know some of these are novel length, and should be entered as such. Issue 2500 is already in the database. No problem there I think. --Willem H. 17:15, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

New editor's contribution to the Perry Rhodan series
A new editor as made a submission for Issue #1000 of the German series, and I've placed it on hold. I'm too unfamiliar with how these are to be handled to accept it. One thing, he uses the editor's initials, unlike how it's entered for the remaining volumes. Also, it's entered as an ANTHOLOGY type while the others are MAGAZINEs. Also he gives it a new publication series name, and the publisher configuration differs from the Willem, can you take over the submission? Thanks. Mhhutchins 20:46, 18 January 2011 (UTC)


 * If you release the hold, I'll take it over. This is one outside the main series. Anthology is correct, but there are other issues. Thanks, --Willem H. 20:48, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Early Themistokles
I have three interior illustrations for early PRs which are doubtful. See this pub record for Themistokles Kanelakis from 1964. But according to perrypedia he was born only 1955 and began working for the series in 1980. I suspect that somehow these illustrations crept in from later printings. Stonecreek 19:41, 1 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Good catch I think. I copied the credit from Perrypedia, but they're probably wrong. I dropped them a note about this, and will change the credit when I have an answer. Thanks! --Willem H. 20:32, 1 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Thank you! Do you have an e-mail address of the perrypedia or are you a contributor there too? Because I have another mistake found. The perrypedia attributes some of the interior art falsely to Alfred Kelsner (for example for #1007), when it is in fact by somebody else (in this case Kanelakis, identifiable by the signature). Shall I inform them (in which case I'd need the address)? Stonecreek 18:45, 2 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Perrypedia is a wiki application, just like this part of the ISFDB. You can create an account and join the fun (I did yesterday). There is one response to my note, see here that sounds plausible. You can inform them (or maybe change the credits yourself, haven't found that out yet), I think your German is a lot better than mine. Thanks, --Willem H. 20:01, 2 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Just changed the Themistokles interior art into Johnny Bruck art for those early issues. Stonecreek 13:23, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

New Fiction Series
Hello, Willem (and who else is reading)! Look at this author page of Robert Feldhoff. It seems that entering #2400 as novel had an unwanted side-effect. This issue is now part of a new Fiction Series instead of the usual Short Fiction Series. What shall we do about it? Stonecreek 09:32, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I noticed that. Wonder what it will look like when one of Feldhoff's novella's from the same cycle is entered. --Willem H. 18:13, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

I got it
Just found today #1783 in a second hand shop, it gives Klaus N. Frick as editor, so we've got the change issue!

And one more thing: I've started to verify (and edit) the issues I don't have by looking at them in the second hand shops. Momentarily these are some issues from Zyklus 16: Die Kosmische Hanse. Stonecreek 17:20, 7 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Good news. Go ahead, any issue is welcome. I'll move on from #425 when I have the time (only a few hours in the evening these days, and so many other things to do). --Willem H. 18:11, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Author images
I assume it is okay to use the author images from perrypedia for us (or else: how were the images incorporated?) Stonecreek 18:57, 9 February 2011 (UTC)


 * The images were uploaded by Dave Siegel. I assume that's the correct way. See here and here. --Willem H. 19:45, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

PR Nirwana?
First, congratulations on the progress (close to #500 now). One problem for me though: I can't find this pub anywhere, neither where it should be nor under the editors. Can you help? Thanks for putting my new edits under Perry Rhodan (1st Aufl.), I still haven't found out how to do that. Stonecreek 15:10, 24 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Amazing isn't it? I think (but am not sure) this issue was either not entered as a magazine, or the editor record was removed afterwards. Both are unlikely. The problem however was, the issue was missing the editor record (the container title for magazines). I added this, and now it is visible under the editors.

But it was: This was one of the three issues I entered in the beginning as chapbooks. Stonecreek 19:19, 24 February 2011 (UTC)


 * For the second question, you can do this yourself. For some background, when you enter a new publication, one of the things that is created is a container title for the pub. This is done automatically, and becomes visible when you edit the existing pub (in this case see here. In the content section you see the novella, the two interior art items and the essay, but also the editor record (in bright yellow). This is what makes the magazine a magazine in the database. When you go to the summary bibliography of one of the editors (like Robert Feldhoff you see a number of records under "Magazine Editor Series". These are the editor records that are attached to the series "Perry Rhodan (1st Aufl.)". The rule is that magazines published in one year with the same editor(s) should be merged. The easiest way to do this is to hit the "Show All Titles" button. Next comes this screen, where you see the type, title and authors. #2295 is a 2005 publication, and can be merged with the "Perry Rhodan (1st Aufl.) - 2005" title. Just take care that you don't merge different years or issues with different editors. For more information on merging see the help text. Want to try? --Willem H. 16:43, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Seems to have been done. I will merge the other ones too, then. Thank you for the 'education'. Stonecreek 11:20, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

Some problematic items
The first: Until now, we hadn't the Perry Rhodan Report edited as NONFICTION, as in #2580. And if we do so, Anton etc. wouldn't be the editors of it, there is an own editor (today it should be Hubert Haensel). But I wouldn't edit in this way, because NONFICTION seems to be for whole books under the ISFDB regulations.


 * First, you're right. NONFICTION contents is meant for novel length works, and should not be used for the Perry Rhodan Report, thus no editor is neccesary. In fact, if we enter them at all, there should be several essays, bookreviews, letters etc. It's up to the (ISFDB) editor to determine how detailed these entries are. Perrypedia has most of the details on pages like this. I'll tell WeAreGray. --Willem H. 20:09, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

The second: Could you change the interior artist for #1008 from Kelsner to Themistokles Kanelakis (if you do it, it'd be not as complicated). The reason is: I relied on the entry in the perrypedia for this issue. But the entries in it for the other issues from the beginning of this Zyklus were false: it was always Kanelakis and not Kelsner. In #1008 the typical signature of Kanelakis was missing, so I assumed that it was Kelsner, although even at that time it was more Kanelakis' art than Kelsner's. The final straw is the page for Kanelakis in the perrypedia, where it is stated that he drew all interior illustrations in those issues. Stonecreek 11:18, 25 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Second, done. See here. --Willem H. 20:09, 25 February 2011 (UTC)


 * And here is another one. #2503 has vanished into Nirwana, too (at least the editing side of Feldhoff & Co.). Would you please do one more time your miracle work? Stonecreek 21:27, 25 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Found, corrected and added to the series. No miracles, just three edits. (next lesson?) --Willem H. 07:52, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

And - you guessed it - one more: User WeAreGray edited #2580 with the novella beginning on page 3. That is nowadays usually the introductory page (and presumably written by one of the editors, not by the author of the novella), the novella would begin in this case on page 4. At least that's the way I handled it so far. Which is the better way to edit? Stonecreek 09:23, 3 March 2011 (UTC)


 * I think the (current?) rule is to have the pagination start on the story's titlepage. There's no rule that sais "start here". The helptext is not very clear about this, it does say something about when a story starts with an illustration. It's mainly what you (as primary verifier) are comfortable with. --Willem H. 20:08, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

New developments
1) I changed the pub date of #650 from 1974-02-12 to 1974-02-08, because this way the pub dates fit with the months of publication given in the credits of each issue from PR Zyklus 11 I have. And this synchronicity was given until the year 2007 (ca.), when this month became the date of printing. Perrypedia says that the day of publication changed somewhere up to 1977, and my feeling is that this was in the 600s. The exact point of change remains in the mist, though. Please take note when entering subsequent issues.

2) I have obtained issues #726-#750. I'll try to enter them before you reach that numbers, but at your speed I am not sure if you will not overtake me. So, you may take into consideration to skip those issues (but if you like, you may enter them as well).

3) I haven't included the earlier Perry Rhodan Lexikon (what is now the Glossar). I will add them successively, now that I found out who is to credit for them. Stonecreek 17:12, 14 March 2011 (UTC)


 * 1) Good that you noticed this before I was hundreds of issues further. I found this page, but the dates mentioned on several sub-pages and on the issue pages contradict each other. I think things went wrong with #578/579. Both were probably published in the same week (I will date them 28-9 and 29-9-1972 to keep them in the right order). I corrected my spreadsheet with the info on this page, and will correct the issues between 578 and 620 before moving on. Thanks!
 * 2) If you want to do them yourself, I can skip #726-#750. It will probably take me a few months to reach those numbers, let's see how far you can get by then.
 * 3) I haven't included any Lexicons (or other contents except the interior art). I can do this only for the issues I own (a few hundred). I'll see how you enter them, and will follow your example. This will give me some experience when I can start entering the Dutch translations. --Willem H. 20:47, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

A Task for the Far Future?
Does you or anybody know if it would be possible to bundle the designation of all the PR covers as a title series in a programming task? If so, this should be done when we have all or nearly all of them edited. If not, this better starts now or in the near future. Stonecreek 14:57, 27 March 2011 (UTC)


 * I don't know about doing it in a programming task, but it is possible of course, any title can be placed in a series, and a cover record is just another title. However, I don't think it has been done before with illustrations, and what would be the added value? The editor records are in a series, and so are the novella's, and a series wouldn't show the covers on one page. We have a few pages like the Avon Rediscovery series, but these are hand-made, and involve a lot of work. If you see value in a title series for the covers, you could start a discussion on the Rules & Standards page. Interesting concept though. --Willem H. 16:06, 27 March 2011 (UTC)


 * The added value wouldn't be much on behalf of the series but on behalf of the artists. In that way it'd be much easier to differentiate between cover art within and without the series. But I'll start a question on that task, maybe the help desk would be a better place? Stonecreek 09:36, 28 March 2011 (UTC)


 * I think it should be discussed first. There's nothing in the help text about this, and I have no idea how it would look on the artist's pages or if the subject has been discussed before. The question is not how to do it (manually or feature request), but do we want it done, and what are the consequences. I'm looking forward to an (interesting?) discussion. --Willem H. 16:11, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

I started the discussion here. If you are inclined so, please join it. Stonecreek 17:34, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

A very prominent GoH at PR WeltCon
Go to www.perry-rhodan.net and see for yourself! Stonecreek 15:25, 1 April 2011 (UTC)


 * I found this news slightly more believable. BLongley 20:10, 1 April 2011 (UTC)


 * I like this one! And we're all aware that today is April 1? Mhhutchins 20:24, 1 April 2011 (UTC)


 * I don't really believe this, but something should be done about real life catching up with fiction. --Willem H. 20:39, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

Interest in veryfying?
Hello, Willem. Do you have an interest for yourself to verify any German issues of PR? If so, please let me know. I don't want to take away it from you, if you have an interest in it. Stonecreek 18:16, 6 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Eventually I will verify the issues I own (a few hundred), but don't let that stop you. We have the primary2 (and 3 and 4 and 5) verification for the issues we both have. It will probably take a few more years to verify my complete collection, as I'm restructuring my own database (very time consuming) as I have the publications on my desk (some 5800 done, and thousands more to come). Anything that's already entered/verified is welcome. --Willem H. 20:11, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

Tried and failed
On this page I didn't quite catch the trick to implement the year 2006 (at the bottom) into the overall series. I suspect that it has something to do with the internal date for this year but can not correct it. Can you? Stonecreek 18:03, 10 April 2011 (UTC)


 * The 2006 editor record was placed into its own subseries, not the main series. You can correct it by editing this record.  Change the title to "Perry Rhodan (1st Aufl.) - 2006", the date to "2006-00-00" and the series to "Perry Rhodan (1st Aufl.)" Mhhutchins 20:01, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

Goodbye and read you again
Well, this was my PR stint for (roughly) the first half year. It's time for the summer vacation. Feel free to enter any issues you like. I will enter more issues in bunches from now on (I tried to fill up missing isues but was successful only with #814-#827 for the 800s so far and started to enter those). When I get the chance to fill the holes with issues I find, I'll do that, but it is easier to find the newer issues and issues from #1001 up to #1200 in the 1st Auflage.

Regarding the editor's side of the magazine: in perrypedia I found the remark in the entry on Horst Hoffmann that he was involved in editing from 1984 to 1987 after the death of Wiliam Voltz. I couldn't find out what his role exactly was, if he should be credited instead of - for example - Schelwokat or be credited at all. But we'll find out eventually, I am sure.Stonecreek 09:32, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

And I decided now to credit Hoffmann instead of Schelwokat. On Perrypedia it is stated that Hoffmann was responsible for the series after Voltz' death up to Marzin's inception. Stonecreek 21:06, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

Entering the 'Silberbände'
To whom it may concern: I am thinking about how to enter the above mentioned hardcovers, but haven't my mind made up about how to exactly do it.

Maybe a bit background information for people interested in 'Perry Rhodan' in Germany who don't know about this titles would be welcome. These 'Silberbände' (= silver volumes) contain the novellas of the original series but in an edited form: the main changes are that parts are dropped and bridging material is added, so that the reading experience of a novel is enhanced for each volume. Moreover, the authors of the original novellas aren't credited in this pub.s.

Thus, my way of entering the books would be to enter them as novels with the editors as authors. I have to add that I don't own any one of the titles - I had the first seven of the series but sold them when I had for a while less shelving space. I'd have to enter them via depending on Deutsche Nationalbibliothek. So, anybody can throw in his opinion on the matter and would be most welcome in doing so. Stonecreek 19:26, 5 February 2012 (UTC)


 * I wish you good luck with these. Looks like another "mission impossible". After reading Perrypedia on the silberbände, my first idea would be to enter them as anthologies, edited by Voltz / Hoffmann / Haensel. The novella's would have to have their own titlepages in these pubs of course. Haven't really looked at these the last times I was in Germany, and they are not in bookshops over here. All in all, I think it's your choice. --Willem H. 22:04, 5 February 2012 (UTC)


 * My first thought was to handle them like a fix-up novel and the editor would be one of the authors. Rudam 20:12, 6 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes, somehow that'd be the right thing to do. The only difficulty I see in that is that the original authors aren't credited in the books (or are they?). On the other hand, we credit authors now who aren't credited in the publications: Kurt Mahr for his Perry Rhodan Computer essays, for example. So, this could be a good way of entering these volumes. Rudam, do you own some of them and/or want to add them (or a part of them)? Stonecreek 20:25, 6 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Funnily I also sold all my copies, but I can remember that inside the books all integrated novellas are stated. Rudam 20:53, 6 February 2012 (UTC)


 * OK, so I will start to enter them somewhen in the nearer future as fix-ups - if no other opinion on the matter pop up. Stonecreek 10:09, 7 February 2012 (UTC)